City demands ‘anti-gay’ music ban – and a new poll

I have to confess that this story worries me somewhat. While I am most definitely not anti-gay (more gay men = more women for me, and lesbians are always good to watch), you have to wonder where something like this will stop.

Now, I appreciate that “Elephant Man” should be pilloried, called an arse, kicked about and covered in a bucket of shit… and that’s just because he looks like a cunt. Come on – check out that publicity still used on the above link. The problem is that we supposedly have freedom of speech in this country.

While the lyrics he uses are derogatory, and I have to say I’ve not heard them though I doubt I’d understand them anyway, they’re his views. Or at least the views of his publicist who reckons they’ll get him some column inches and shift a few albums.

Current law, I believe, allows censorship where its believed that the published words may incite hatred or violence – or legalese to that effect. Well, you can argue that this tosser’s stuff does. I want to punch him, after all, though I don’t think that’s what he intended. The thing is, you’ve got to draw a line. If you ban albums with anti-gay lyrics on, then you have to ban those with racist lyrics. You should also ban ones that include piss-takes of religions, and that would include at least two Weird Al Yankovic albums. Then maybe those that hold a derogatory view of the royal family (bye, bye Sex Pistols), or suggest ill will towards the government…

It’s a slippery path. I’m all for freedom of speech, even if I disagree with what someone else is saying. If nothing else it gives them the chance to stand up in public and show what a cock they are.

I suppose a small mercy is that, for the moment at least, it’s taking attention away from the devil-worshipping, gun-toting, best-friend-killing, animal-torturing, suicidal evilness that is heavy metal.

So… what do you lot think. Specifically looking at Brighton & Hove council’s attempt to ban anti-gay music from shop shelves. The poll’s in the usual place: left hand side, near the top. Poll closes once the votes trickle out, or about a week.

28 thoughts on “City demands ‘anti-gay’ music ban – and a new poll”

  1. What? No ore Macc Lads?

    That would be unbearable…

    Seriously though, where do we draw the line?

    No more Death Metal (anti-religious, even going so far as to incite arson and murder in Norway and Germany for instance?), no more Britney Spears (inciting young ladies to wear skimpy clothes, thus raising the libido of young men to unacceptable levels), and no more Country & Western (because it incites every listener to commit suicide immediately…)?

    It’s nothing more than PC-madness….

    Ultra-sensitive reactionary fuckwits, with nothing better to do than make up new rules and regs.

    Wankers….

  2. What? No ore Macc Lads?

    That would be unbearable…

    Seriously though, where do we draw the line?

    No more Death Metal (anti-religious, even going so far as to incite arson and murder in Norway and Germany for instance?), no more Britney Spears (inciting young ladies to wear skimpy clothes, thus raising the libido of young men to unacceptable levels), and no more Country & Western (because it incites every listener to commit suicide immediately…)?

    It’s nothing more than PC-madness….

    Ultra-sensitive reactionary fuckwits, with nothing better to do than make up new rules and regs.

    Wankers….

  3. Once again it is a minority that fuck it up for all of us.

    I have been listening to all kinds of crap and non PC music for as long as I care to remember and not once have I felt the need to go and burn down a church or beat up on somebody because of it..
    No matter what you do there will always be one nutter who will start raping budgies because he heard voices telling him to do it, in the background of a Fester & Alien record.

    It only takes this one nutter to start something and a number of people with limited mental capacity will follow and do it because somebody else is doing it and told them how good or right it is to do it.

    I mean look at Hitler he did it. Sadam did it.
    America and George Dubbua getting re elected..

    I rest my case………

    Rant over… I’ll post this in my blog I think.

    SFG

  4. Once again it is a minority that fuck it up for all of us.

    I have been listening to all kinds of crap and non PC music for as long as I care to remember and not once have I felt the need to go and burn down a church or beat up on somebody because of it..
    No matter what you do there will always be one nutter who will start raping budgies because he heard voices telling him to do it, in the background of a Fester & Alien record.

    It only takes this one nutter to start something and a number of people with limited mental capacity will follow and do it because somebody else is doing it and told them how good or right it is to do it.

    I mean look at Hitler he did it. Sadam did it.
    America and George Dubbua getting re elected..

    I rest my case………

    Rant over… I’ll post this in my blog I think.

    SFG

  5. The trouble is that those who buy his music must share his views, at least in part, and are a minority group. So if an authority bans his work, they are persecuting a minority when their intention was to protect another minority. Nothing’s simple in PC-land is it?

  6. The trouble is that those who buy his music must share his views, at least in part, and are a minority group. So if an authority bans his work, they are persecuting a minority when their intention was to protect another minority. Nothing’s simple in PC-land is it?

  7. a ban on selling the music I think goes a bit far as it is very controling. I think a ban on radios and tv stations playing even on specialist shows would be the best option. I know bans like this are already in place, maybe just re-writing them to include specifics though could be a good idea.

  8. a ban on selling the music I think goes a bit far as it is very controling. I think a ban on radios and tv stations playing even on specialist shows would be the best option. I know bans like this are already in place, maybe just re-writing them to include specifics though could be a good idea.

  9. Mosh the PC gag, was terrible honey.. but i agree with ya, where would we draw the line?? Just beggers believe they are even considering it, if people are wanting to listen to it, they will buy it, if they stop listening the shops wil stop selling.. simple.

    And erm, if i pulled where’s me ten pence 😉 ??

  10. Mosh the PC gag, was terrible honey.. but i agree with ya, where would we draw the line?? Just beggers believe they are even considering it, if people are wanting to listen to it, they will buy it, if they stop listening the shops wil stop selling.. simple.

    And erm, if i pulled where’s me ten pence 😉 ??

  11. The only other song I can recall being banned in recent history was “Cop Killer” on the first Body Count album. The album had to be reissued with the track removed (and another – “Freedom of Speech” in it’s place).

    The ironic thing is, the track was written and performed by Ice (mother-fuckin’) T (bitch). Who now plays a cop in Law & Order: SVU.

    The only other stuff that’s been banned in the UK, to the best of my knowledge, has been some extreme death metal and that’s been due to the images on the album sleeves breaching the obscenity regulations. The music itself hasn’t caused an issue.

  12. The only other song I can recall being banned in recent history was “Cop Killer” on the first Body Count album. The album had to be reissued with the track removed (and another – “Freedom of Speech” in it’s place).

    The ironic thing is, the track was written and performed by Ice (mother-fuckin’) T (bitch). Who now plays a cop in Law & Order: SVU.

    The only other stuff that’s been banned in the UK, to the best of my knowledge, has been some extreme death metal and that’s been due to the images on the album sleeves breaching the obscenity regulations. The music itself hasn’t caused an issue.

  13. let’s face it, banning sales in a record shop nowadays isn’t going to do a lot to stop people being able to access it via downloads etc.

    I think Caz is on the right lines with the idea of not broadcasting it or permitting concerts in public venues – let the sad twats listen to their nastiness, not much we can do to stop that other than increased education, but ensure it’s not inflicted on the rest of us.

  14. let’s face it, banning sales in a record shop nowadays isn’t going to do a lot to stop people being able to access it via downloads etc.

    I think Caz is on the right lines with the idea of not broadcasting it or permitting concerts in public venues – let the sad twats listen to their nastiness, not much we can do to stop that other than increased education, but ensure it’s not inflicted on the rest of us.

  15. I live in B&H and don’t recall this story as such … just reading it now … the council are asking the bigger stores in town to withdraw certain artists’ work from sale voluntarily. On the freedom of speech issue, we’re not talking about performers expressing opinions (although I doubt that anything here is even a /matter/ of opinion) but but performers actually advocating hate crimes, which sounds like an offence to me. Perhaps the Greens are over-interpreting the lyrics on our behalf? Either way, this is not an issue of freedom of speech. Arbitrary messages of hate against non-heterosexuals, or tall people, or people who’re losing their hair, really don’t need to be protected by law.

  16. I live in B&H and don’t recall this story as such … just reading it now … the council are asking the bigger stores in town to withdraw certain artists’ work from sale voluntarily. On the freedom of speech issue, we’re not talking about performers expressing opinions (although I doubt that anything here is even a /matter/ of opinion) but but performers actually advocating hate crimes, which sounds like an offence to me. Perhaps the Greens are over-interpreting the lyrics on our behalf? Either way, this is not an issue of freedom of speech. Arbitrary messages of hate against non-heterosexuals, or tall people, or people who’re losing their hair, really don’t need to be protected by law.

  17. Fair point well made, Reg. There are laws in place which class incitement to [riot, cause harm, commit a crime, etc] as a crime. What needs to be decided here is if these albums class as incitement, or are just some stupid prick with bad dress sense trying to earn a few bucks by being controversial.

    The bit that got me in the original news stories was the mention of making changes to legislation. Maybe I should read more, or read elsewhere to get more information, but this reads to me as if someone may want to consider changing existing laws.

    If the albums class as incitement, then no change is necessary. The only way change would be required is if more censorship is desired.

  18. Fair point well made, Reg. There are laws in place which class incitement to [riot, cause harm, commit a crime, etc] as a crime. What needs to be decided here is if these albums class as incitement, or are just some stupid prick with bad dress sense trying to earn a few bucks by being controversial.

    The bit that got me in the original news stories was the mention of making changes to legislation. Maybe I should read more, or read elsewhere to get more information, but this reads to me as if someone may want to consider changing existing laws.

    If the albums class as incitement, then no change is necessary. The only way change would be required is if more censorship is desired.

  19. As it stands, I know in the US WalMart is the biggest retail chain going. They won’t sell *anything* with a “Parental Advisory” sticker, books which they deem inappropriate and so forth. The choice is in their hands, not the law’s but it means that some people’s freedom to choose and other’s freedom to express themselves are being harmed.

    Mind you, banning the stuff from the shelves is also WalMart’s means of expressing their opinions…

  20. As it stands, I know in the US WalMart is the biggest retail chain going. They won’t sell *anything* with a “Parental Advisory” sticker, books which they deem inappropriate and so forth. The choice is in their hands, not the law’s but it means that some people’s freedom to choose and other’s freedom to express themselves are being harmed.

    Mind you, banning the stuff from the shelves is also WalMart’s means of expressing their opinions…

  21. Bugger censorhsip. I’m getting tired of these wankers running around telling us what we can and cannot say. Whether something is hateful or not shouldn’t matter. I’ve never met anyone who’s been incited to random acts of evil by music lyrics. Bloody hippies.

  22. Bugger censorhsip. I’m getting tired of these wankers running around telling us what we can and cannot say. Whether something is hateful or not shouldn’t matter. I’ve never met anyone who’s been incited to random acts of evil by music lyrics. Bloody hippies.

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