Finally, aside from driving off-road (as if), I’ve come up with a reason for driving a 4×4. To ram stupid ******* BMW Z4 drivers off the road, hopefully to the point of extinction. Yup, more road rage. I was going round the roundabout at the bottom of the M606. It has traffic lights on it. My lights turned green, so I started to move. A Z4 appeared at the road I was about to drive past. Appeared. As in, he hadn’t been sat there before. He slowed, looked, then floored it through an obvious red right in front of me. Sadly, as I drive a Golf and have good reactions I didn’t plough into the side of his tin-foil person-carrier and instead came to a stop a foot or so from the driver’s-side door.
Shame.
I think the roads would be safer without ******* like him on them. Had I been driving a nice big Mitsubishi, Landy or similar and was a bit doddery I could have done us all a favour and wiped the **** out. I look forward to my twilight years and dodderiness. And cheaper insurance.
In other news, hunt supporters. What a bunch of complete fuckwits. Let’s leave aside the fact that making fox-hunting into a fun day out for all the family is somewhat barbaric and just concentrate on their ludicrous bahaviour today.
Now, I appreciate jobs will be lost if this government decision goes through. I appreciate that Tony Blair and co are going to force the law through in a way virtually unheard of in the past. I appreciate that the law and regulations it brings up are bloody ludicrous and are going to do sweet FA for animal welfare.
Still, let’s bear in mind that Jaguar are closing a plant shortly and jobs will be lost there too.
Do I see Jaguar workers forcing their way into the House of Commons and threatening MPs? Do I see them turning up for a protest in London armed with fireworks to throw at police who are only trying to do the job they’re underpaid for? Do I see them blocking the M25 in an unannounced protest that caused massive inconvenience for thousands of people who may even have been in support of their cause? Do I ****. Because Jaguar workers are normal people, not inbred cousin-shagging countryfolk with more fingers than brain cells.
If you have a grievance, air it but do it in a way that doesn’t make you look like a terrorist, a thug or a selfish prick. How the **** do you expect to get people to sympathise with your cause when you just come across as a total selfish idiot? Get a grip, get a life and get a new job.
Congratulations. All you’ve done is make people like me think that it’s a good thing you’re going to be unemployed. This should bring you closer to the breadline and therefore less likely to reproduce. Assuming your sister can even get home from London to bear your children, seeing as there’s a right jam on the M25.
‘I bet you’re a supporter of vivisection labs as well… ‘
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, let me see???? NO. Although animal testing for certain degenerative diseases is worthwhile, and unless you have been, touched by these diseases I doubt you would agree?
Oh, and when were foxes bread for hunting?
Can you answer that. I am pro hunting, but as a choice for people who want to do it, not as a pastime I want to go and do myself. I was born and bred in the countryside and know people who do, and people who don’t. Also foxes, especially hungry ones are pretty cunning, and that isn’t a joke, they can get into pretty impressively protected chicken huts/rabbit cages.
Lets just leave it at me making an opinion! Which in a country with free speech I am allowed to do I believe… or is this country going the same way as the USA?
1) mmm, disagree, shooting is a viable alternative – although needs to be carried out by a skilled marksman (rather than some yob let loose with a rifle after having read one copy of Guns & Ammo)
2) despite what they might have you believe, the majority of the countryside is not designed purely for hunting with dogs and so is likely to have a limited impact
3) if current huntsmen are telling the truth when they say they’re more interested in the way of life & social nature of the hunt than actually killing the foxes, then as some hunts have already done, a change over to drag hunting would prevent the need for dogs or horses to be put to sleep
Agree with Mosh on some points there… some sort of middle ground has to be reached. But with both sides so resolute on ‘winning’ I can’t see it happening!
So millions of pounds will be wasted when the law comes into force as the police have to stop the hunters, who seem very determined to continue!
Oh, and I never thought you’d say that again either.
As a parting shot.. the countryside would be a much better place without the carcasses of foxes left over from the hunts…
Before you all start having a snap at me for supporting hunting, I wouldn’t actually go out and do it myself… but I do belive in the liberty and livelihood of the countryside and the minority of people who live and work there… and not the incomers who just use it as a base and commute out again to work!
As we know after many conversations on the subject including last nights, we will never agree… but lets have two sides of the debate on here for a change 🙂
How about just making more of an effort to protect livestock? Lock your chickens and baby animals away at night where the big bad fox can’t get to them .. There you go.. Problem solved!
And yes.. It really irritates me in the city when people see a rat and start screaming their head off… They don’t spread nearly as many diseases as humans you know.
I am fully aware that my opinion in the Liberty and Livelihood debate is contentious,but I am not the only one with these views,as the recent protests would suggest. Nor do I support any violence in protesting,although the supporters who managed to get into the ‘House’ showed up security flaws,never mind them getting their point across.
Only thing I do get pised off with though is being ‘catagorised’ by opinion.Why should I think that animal cruelty is a good thing just because I support the Hunting position?I don’t agree with animal testing for make up,nor do I agree with animal cruelty or the random killing of anything that moves by people who shoot etc.I buy organic or freedom food,so the animals I choose to eat have as high a quality of live and death. But then again,I think that by banning hunting the government is currently wasting valuble time and resources that should be spent making the country a better place.
I can see blood being shed over this little discussion… I said my piece, I’m not adding to it! Does seem to be a very contentious topic, though.
The two things I can see as a downside to banning hunting with dogs:
1) The alternatives are just as, if not more, barbaric and cruel to the fox. It’s a no-win situation
2) Remove fox-hunting and you remove the need for some landowners to keep hedgerows etc (used for the fox to “hide” in and make the hunt more “challenging”), so these areas may be uprooted and made arable. This will cause upset with many other species of animal and bird that live there.
I live in the country (although the ***** at Berkeley Homes are doing their level best to try & f*ck with that position but that’s another story) and hey – here’s a surprise – we’re not all inbred hunt monkeys!
To most of us, the “liberty & livelihood” of the countryside usually ends up meaning pets attacked by the pack, land run roughshod over & very little consideration for non-hunt people in general.
And it’s not just an upper class pursuit now – so that means egalitarian fuckwittery, woo yay, big deal, that makes is SOOOO much better then.
It’s been promised long enough, no matter what the lying signs say the majority of us want to see the back of it so let’s just DO IT.
I would have to disagree with shooting as a viable alternative. There’s too much of a chance – trained marksman or not – that the fox takes a bullet, gets wounded and suffers as a result.
The thing is, how do you find a solution that suits everyone? At the end of the day, the fox is a pest – just as rats are in the inner city. The problem is that the countryside is a completely different environment.
You can’t gas them or put traps down – far too risky for other animals. You can’t shoot them because of the risk of suffering. You can’t hunt them down because it’s just been made illegal.
Therein lies the problem with the law that’s about to be passed. It doesn’t just get rid of a problem – it created others. So much as I agree with banning hunting in its current, glorified “ra-ra *trumpet*” form, as usual the government hasn’t spent two minutes thinking about the consequences and problems that said law will create.
i’m late to this, however… “liberty and livelihood” seems kinda like saying “leave the vivisectors to it, they’ve been at it for years, why should they stop now?”
what about badger baiting, cock fighting, even bear baiting all old “liberties” now -and properly- legislated against, why not rule out this last, somewhat cruel, relic from a more ignorant and fortunately bygone age.
I’m with me on this one. I think there are really more than just 2 viewpoints. You can’t settle on just “allow it” and “disallow it”. There are many whys and wherefores, what-ifs and “aah, but”s.
Before you can something like this, you need to have a working alternative and I just don’t think we have that.
But I still maintain that getting on a horse, blowing a horn and chasing an animal to (possible) death for sport is somewhat neanderthal. Get a proper hobby you inbred freaks.
I’ve known Sharon for 2 years, now. On the whole we get on. This is the only subject we’ve *ever* discussed (correct me if I’m wrong) where the end result is two very irate people ready to tear throats out.
Contentious? Flo, you couldn’t be more right!
It has to be said that “Hail To The Chief” is a much more rousing anthem than “God Save The Queen”.
It should bypass the Lords. The silly thing is that it will be perfectly fine to abuse a poor little fox for the next 2 years. Only after those 2 years will it be illegal.
It’s a good job draft legislation can bypass the House of Lords, and also that old Betty in Buck Palace dare not stop any legislation. I work for a legal publishing firm and someone giving a presentation pointed something out that you probably won’t realise until you hear it:
We don’t live in a demorcacy in the UK. We actually live within an elected dictatorship (parliament: the elected, Betty and the House of Lords: the dictators who have the final say).
I’ll start to have a bit more respect for the Royals when the law applies to them. Ever notice how the Queen never had to pay a penny of inheritance tax on the 14 or so million quid she got of her mum?
I become more and more a republican as each day passes.
Mosh.. thankyou thankyou thankyou you said it far better than I ever could!
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now i never thought i would be saying this again but, im with Sharon on this one
Sharon , There’s nothing wrong with having your own opinion but when it’s about something as contentious as that , you have to be prepared for people to challenge it sometimes.
BTW I was on about the DOGS with the breeding thing. Not the foxes.
Sharon, so it’s fine to breed animals specifically to rip other animals to pieces then? No-one cares if they want to go for a ride in the countryside, just leave the local wildlife alone while your at it eh?
I bet you’re a supporter of vivisection labs as well… *rant over*
So, you’re anti then?
There is also the point that the Jaguar decision isn’t made by the elected parliment, but by a huge company who is looking at its profit margin…
Oh, and the fact the the democratic system doesn’t work when the majority are trying to persecute the minority! Which, lets face it the people who want to hunt are… why should something they have done in a law abiding manor for the last few hundred years, be halted by a government run by a city dwelling majority? Just because the city dwellers haven’t a clue when it comes to country traditions. And, when you come back with the argument that not everyone in the countryside wants to hunt, nor are we all rich enough to hunt, then you will find that it is a way of life for all… and not as people are left to believe, the rich.
to be continued…
This thing is getting more and more insidious – have you noticed that more and more “laws” are being passed so that Tony and his mob get more and more power to the centre and we have less control over our lives – I really don’t give a flyer one way or the other about hunting but I do believe that if things don’t go this Government’s way they will move the bloody goalposts until they do – remember they’ll be first against the wall when the revolution comes